Historically, the only union Rome was interested in was in having people,

churches and kings bow before her in subjection.


In recent years, there has been strong support for the ecumenical movement.

This has been largely the work of the World Council of Churches who, for

years, had received a cold shoulder from Roman Catholicism. More recently,

Roman Catholics have been actively pursuing ecumenism. This involves

reconciliation with Eastern Orthodox Churches and friendly approaches to

Protestants, who are now called separated brethren instead of heretics. It

has especially been pursued since Vatican II, but the emphasis is still

largely upon union on Rome's terms.

"While acting in sincere ecumenism with brethren of other Christian

confessions and with respect for all may (we) nevertheless know how to

remain and behave as faithful children of the Church in which they have

been baptized." (Pope John Paul II, quoted in Philippine Pastoral letter,


Vatican II document UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO, #3, "the spirit of Christ has

not refrained from using non-Catholic Churches and Communities as means of


Speaking over Radio Veritas, Manila, pope John Paul II said that the Roman

Catholic Church accepted the truth and goodness found in Islam, Hinduism

and Buddhism. Paying warm tribute to the many moral values enshrined in the

three non-Christian religions, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church

invited their adherents to common prayer that mutual understanding may grow

and moral values may be strenghened.

Ecumenical gestures have been made by Roman Catholics toward Jews,

Buddhists and Communists. Abraham is presented as a possible ecumenical

link between Catholics and Moslems. Pope John Paul II, a former moderate

Cardinal in Poland, stated that he favors detente with the Communists, and

has caused much speculation regarding future Catholic-Communist relations.

Speaking over Radio Manila, Pope John Paul II said that the Roman Catholic

Church accepted the truth and goodness found in Islam, Hinduism and

Buddhism. He invited their adherents to common prayer that mutual

understanding may grow and moral values may be strengthened.

The Vatican Council made it clear that other Christians, Jews, non-

Christians and atheists can be saved and are united to the church as the

people of God in varying degrees. One document said, "Those also can attain

to everlasting salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the

Gospel of Christ or his Church, yet sincerely seek God and, moved by His

grace, strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through

the dictates of conscience."

From Vatican II Decree on Ecumenism, "The manner and order in which

Catholic belief is expressed should not in any way become an obstacle to

dialogue with our brethren."

From HOW TO FIND THE TRUE CHURCH, page 21, "The Catholic Church . . . has a

special love for all good-living Protestants and always prays for their

speedy return to the Church of their enlightened, faithful and pious


From THE PEOPLE OF GOD, Knights of Columbus, page 9, "Those who know and

serve God earnestly to the best of their knowledge will be saved through

Christ, even though they are not Catholics. Are these people saved `outside

the Church, without the Church, apart from the Church?' By no means. They

are saved through the grace of Christ Who lives in His Church. Every hour

of the day, the Church offers the Sacrifice of the Eucharist. Christ

through His Church constantly intercedes with the Father for the grace and

salvation of all men."

From Vatican II DECREE ON ECUMENISM. "In his church the wonderful sacrament

of the Eucharist by which the unity of the Church is both signified and

made a reality.

"Jesus Christ, then, willed that the Apostles and their successors - the

bishops with Peter's successor at their head - should preach the Gospel

faithfully, administer the sacraments, and rule the Church in love." (Ed:

Although the introduction speaks of the restoration of unity among all

Christians, it is clear that when the word "Church" ius used, it is

speaking of the Roman Catholic Church.)

David duPlessis, at Candlestick Park, San Francisco, CA, June 1979, said,

"We used to be called heretics. Now we are separated brethren. That was a

wonderful act of forgiveness by the Holy Father."


Foreword makes mention of "the large-heartedness of the Pope."


occasion of Pope John Paul's visit will aid all Christians..." signed,

among others by a representative of Assemblies of God, NCC, Evangelical

Lutheran Churches, Disciples of Christ, Church of the Brethren, Friends,

Fuller Theological Seminary, Mennonite Church, Polish National Catholic

Church, Swedenborgians, Southern Baptist."


by Bill Jackson

Since the Traditionalist movement is very much against the ecumenical

movement, and the ecumenical movement must end Satan's super-Church which

will use Romanism as its structure, how can the Traditionalists fit into

any ecumenmical scheme? At first glance, it seems that this movement must

pale into insignificance and eventually evaporate if ecumenical, plans are

to be completed.

This, however, may not be the case. There is no doubt about it, the

Traditionalists are the real Roman Catholics. How can the Roman Catholic

structure become truly ecumenical if it is really Traditionmal Romanism

that is true Romanism?

Archbishop Lefebvre has no intention of forming a group of maverick

priests that will do sniper duty at the fringes of Romanism forever. The

whole desire of the Traditionalist leaders is to keep intact a band of true

Tradiitional, Catholic priests who will be the core of the papacy that

Traditionalists are looking for, a true Roman Catholic papacy with a strong

Traditionalist pope. Prophetically, it is impossible to determine when this

might happen. It may be that pope John Paul II, a relative conservative to

his three previous counterparts but a liberal when compared with his

successor, will wring all the juice out of the ecumenical movement and get

as many groups to jump on the band wagon. He may die just before December

25, 2000, and the new pope will give the 2000th birthday present to Christ

of much of the world.

This world will include many who came in under the ecumenism of JPII,

most of whom will probably stay even after a true Roman pope appears on the

scene. Global disaster, possibly caused as a result of the Rapture, may

contribute to this. In any case, all the anathemas of Trent will be

reinforced, and the Papacy will head a world crusade to complete the super-

Church. This will be by force and with great persecution. The Inquisition

will bring forth all weapons to make the world Catholic.

Satan will view this as a "millennium", and plans to keep it going for

1000 years. If we are here, true Christians will know it as a time of

unparalleled tribulation. Whether or not the true Chiurch will be on earth

at this time is up to God to figure out. It may be Satanic tribulation

which is a harbinger of the Great Tribulation. But any thought along this

line demands careful study of the Traditionalist movement, for even though

they are out of the mainstream today, they will probably become the core of

the Romanism that brings about the one world church.


From HORIZON, published by Kentuckiana Interfaith Committee, Box 4671,


VISIT TO VATICAN. Strengthened ties with Roman Catholics in the United

States will be the goal of top Protestant and Orthodox church leaders when

they visit the Vatican.

"According to Rev. Brower (Gen'l Sect of NCC), the agenda will include

issues that face us together as we move toward the 21st century. He said he

hopes that concrete ecumenical goals can be set for the third millennimum

since Christ's birth."


HISTORY. ...participating bishops from the Roman Catholic Church, the

Episcopal Church, the Armenian (Orthodox) Church and the Evangelical

Lutheran Church (baptized) four children, each in his own Christian

tradition, but under one roof, in the water of one font, knit together by

one liturgy, celebrated in the power of the Holy Spirit, buy one people."

(Quoted from news report of NCC)

From CALVARY CONTENDER, 3/15/90. "Last October 17 (1989), Paul and Jan

Crouch (Trinity Broadcasting Network) welcomed three Catholics to their

program. Paul smoothed over any Protestant-Catholic differences as "simply

matters of semantics" and eagerly embraced Transubstantiation, a heresy

that caused thousands to die at the stake. He said it is `time for

Catholics and non-Catholics to come together as one in the Spirit and one

in the Lord."


From L'OSSERVATORE ROMANO, 7/31/89. Pope John Paul II, "Truly the

Eucharistic mystery unites all believers, and that means us, but virtually

it also reaches non-Christians because the Eucharist has a radiating power

which in some way reaches those who do not yet shine with the light of


From CHARISCENTER USA, Sept/Oct 1989, "From May 7-14, 1989, a group of one

hundred Pentecostal/charistmatic leaders met in an upper room in the Notre

Dame center outside the ancient walls of Jerusalem in a prayer vigil for

world evangelization. The ultimate goal is for the world to have a

Christian majority by the end of the century. Participants came from all of

the streams of the charismatic movement, including Roman Catholics,

Protestants, Pentecostals and nondenominationals. The vigil was led by an

executive committee consisting of Larry Christianson (Lutheran), Tom

Forrest (Catholic), Michael Harper (Anglican), Bob McAlistar

(nondenominational) and Vinson Synan (Pentecostal)."


DISCUSSES MARY. Jesus Christ is the "sole mediator" between believers and

God the Father, said U.S. Lutheran and Roman Catholic theologians after

seven years of dialogue on Mary and the saints.

"In a major agreed statement released Feb. 20, the theologians urged

their respective churches to take `two further steps' toward greater


"Lutherans, they said, should acknowledge `that the Catholic teaching

about the saints and Mary as set forth in the documents of Vatican

(Council) II does not promote idolatrous belief or practice and is not

opposed to the Gospel.

"Catholics, they said, should recognize `that in close but still

incomplete fellowship, Lutherans, focusing on Christ the one mediator, as

set forth in Scripture, would not be obliged to invoke the saints or affirm

the two Marian dogmas defined in Catholic belief since the Reformation.

"The dialogue partners said the post-Reformation Catholic dogmas of the

Immaculate Conception and the Assumption remain `an obstacle to full

fellowship between our churches' until Catholics and Lutherans can find a

way to transcend their current differences.

"In their 1983 statement (on Justification by Faith), they agreed that

`our entire hope of justification rests on Jesus Christ and on the Gospel.

We do not place out ultimate trust in anything other than God's promise and

saving work in Christ."

From NEW COVENANT, November 1990 Report on Indianapolis Congress on the

Holy Spirit and World Evangelism, August 15-19, 1990 (Indianapolis 1990).

"About 48 per cent of the attendees were Catholic, followed by non-

denominational (11 percent), Episcopal (9 per cent) and Pentecostals (3.8

per cent."

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